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I wish more people were watching Doctor Who because this is the one show I want to talk with people in real life about. I just want to geek out completely in real life about the Doctor once.



My favorite new show... I only watched Glee, The Vampire Diaries and most of Community.

The Vampire Diaries wins...

Well, I watched Community pretty much only because Gillian Jacobs is in it. Jacobs was in an extremely depressing movie called "Gardens of the Night" with a depressing open ending and I love to pretend that her Britta is the character she played in that movie, only a few years and a name change later. Community is the happy ending Gardens of the Night needed. Desperately.

I know I'm watching it wrong.

I watch Glee but the only parts that I ever want to re-watch either feature songs I already liked before or Jane Lynch. The things in between... I watch them once and that is okay.

The Vampire Diaries accomplished something really nice by being actually creepy once in a while and it had some decent continuity, pacing and made good attempts at plot and characterization. It's far from perfect but I did love the bold choices the writers made in the beginning. Making regular characters pretty irredeemably evil, playing a bad relationship as a bad relationship... stuff like that.

But it's exactly that which makes the sophomore slump inevitable. In fact it's already a half-done deed with the show's current strategy of "let's redeem the local rapist/serial killer/abuser since he does awesome line readings". It's exactly there where the show's gonna lose me.

I said this some time ago - the show can either lose that character, redeem him or turn everyone else into an idiot for keeping him around. In any case the thing about the show that drew me to it - the unapologetic decision to make the villain a protagonist and make it work - is the only thing that the show cannot afford to keep. Cannot keep at all and make it work.

The redemption is probably not the best choice. Yet that they made it and seem to go for the "pretend it never happened" route of (non-)redemption though is actually disturbing in a bad way.

Maybe next season will bring a crop that's more than catchy songs, re-hashed pop culture cliches mixed with making sad movie betters and unsustainable characterizations.

Date: 2010-08-06 12:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eolivet.livejournal.com
Good choice for Day 2! I have only found a few people in real life who watch Doctor Who and it is like stumbling on a secret society. It is like we are all members of LINDA, back in that S2 ep with the Doctor support group.

(My old boss watched it. I lent him my S4 DVD because he missed the last ep and never got it back. Very frustrating!)

For Day 3: Is the local rapist/serial killer/abuser the character Damon? I know he is very popular (and people 'ship him with the girl, right?) He sounds like a mix of Spike from "Buffy" and Logan from VM. And we know what happened to both of those characters...

Date: 2010-08-06 01:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] para1.livejournal.com
My old boss watched it. I lent him my S4 DVD because he missed the last ep and never got it back. Very frustrating!

The Donna season? Sue him for all he's worth and more! If it had been the Specials or Season Two... but Donna? Worth the litigation costs.

Is the local rapist/serial killer/abuser the character Damon? I know he is very popular (and people 'ship him with the girl, right?) He sounds like a mix of Spike from "Buffy" and Logan from VM. And we know what happened to both of those characters...

Yep, he is. And it's kind of worse because they amped up the evil thing up to eleven pretty much for half of the season and it's not just killing (Spike) or being the local psychotic douche (Logan.) You know when a show uses its heightened reality as a set-up for metaphors - like Buffy's "high school is hell"?

Damon is used like this but it doesn't end there. He's not an abusive boyfriend because he sucks a girl's blood when she obviously doesn't want him to. He's an abusive boyfriend because he throws her around, threatens her, physically hurts her and tells her that he'll kill her. And then attempts to do so. It's not that high school is hell, it's just that hell is hell. And that ultimately makes the fanwanking, the redemption so extremely problematic.

If you remove the heightened reality with Spike and Logan you have just average dudes with issues and a bad attitude, but not people who organize homeless boxing and the Apocalypse. Potentially likeable, not necessarily people you need a restraining order for.

If you remove the heightened reality from The Vampire Diaries you still have a physically, psychologically and verbally abusive boyfriend. It's not a metaphor for abuse, it's just abuse. And to see that white-washed is galling. And let's not even talk about the implication of having an abuser who's abusive to one girl but not to other, the "right one." Yikes.

Date: 2010-08-06 07:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eolivet.livejournal.com
The Donna season? Sue him for all he's worth and more!

:) If BBCA does not repeat those episodes eventually, I may just do that! Of course, he is in New Jersey and I am in Massachusetts, so it would be hard to get them back. I was just trying to be nice, of course.

He's an abusive boyfriend because he throws her around, threatens her, physically hurts her and tells her that he'll kill her. And then attempts to do so.

...What? Seriously? Wow, I have no desire to watch that. I was considering it, because I have heard good things about the show from a few people, but I have no interest in that.

And let's not even talk about the implication of having an abuser who's abusive to one girl but not to other, the "right one."

It sounds like the kind of thing that is romantic to teenage girls. The whole myth of being able to "fix" a "bad boyfriend." I liked Spike and Logan because I believed they were essentially "good," but misguided guys in bad situations. That their nature was good, but their situations had made them evil. Unless Damon has a tragic backstory, it sounds very different.

Damon sounds more like Don Draper than Spike or Logan. :/

Date: 2010-08-06 09:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] para1.livejournal.com
Things like this play usually really heavy to me. Other viewers would probably not even notice.

I mean... you know the moment Veronica Mars lost me?

When Veronica paid that homeless man to dumpster-dive for that egg merely two seasons after Logan's homeless boxing was a moral signpost.

I've never found anyone who found that moment equally crucial and upsetting.

Damon sounds more like Don Draper than Spike or Logan. :/

Unfortunately this is the most I know about Don Draper




But I think there's a true and fairly tendency in tv to make the character increasingly anti-heroic. The Sopranos, House, The Shield, Damages, Breaking Bad, Mad Man, Gossip Girl... but I don't think the writers are truly interested in evil but rather in the edginess of it all.

Date: 2010-09-07 01:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spadada.livejournal.com
1) I love that you love Vampire Diaries and your description of Damon and why his redemption will be the downfall of the show is chilling.

2) I love that all you know about Don Draper is Abed's embodiment of him in that perfect, perfect scene. Have been such a Pudi fan since my bosses cast him on the second episode of TV I ever worked on. Such a sincerely lovely guy and so fucking funny.

P.S. Think I am caught up now, so this should be the last comment in the wave.

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