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I started out disliking Wonderfalls and BSG entire cast of character and in the end loved them all, but I think the best of them all is the one that after the show ended I never cared much about again - Buffy. Loved the show, loved them on the show - but afterwards... well, let's put it that way - in Alyson Hannigan's case her being in HIMYM is the number one reason I'll never watch that show. I guess that's one way to think of a cast as "best" - if you actually dislike most of their work outside that show.



The balcony kiss on Veronica Mars. Looking back at it, I'm not sure it was earned or the right decision for the show yadda yadda but it just... worked.

Wait, actually I don't think it was earned and it being welcomed by the audience with so much enthusiasm set a bad precedent, so overall it was not good for the show itself. The shark wasn't jump there but someone put on the water skis.

But if it had been earned, it wouldn't have been spontaneous, it wouldn't have been surprising and we wouldn't have gotten the TV kiss equivalent of Mr. Darcy's proposal in Pride and Prejudice: "He hates me, he's mean to me, he's teasing me, he's fighting with me, he loves me... wait what?"

It was this what made it good for that moment. Insert your own pun here.

Date: 2010-08-20 07:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eolivet.livejournal.com
I guess that's one way to think of a cast as "best" - if you actually dislike most of their work outside that show.

That is a great interpretation, actually. I was confused by this question -- it seemed like "Which show had the best actors?" Kind of odd.

We have the same favorite kiss (not surprisingly).

we wouldn't have gotten the TV kiss equivalent of Mr. Darcy's proposal in Pride and Prejudice: "He hates me, he's mean to me, he's teasing me, he's fighting with me, he loves me... wait what?"

Awww. Very well-said. :D

I still cannot get over how surprising that kiss was. In retrospect, it seems easy to predict, but watching the show, it was so shocking. Maybe because Logan was still a suspect for both crimes at that point? I have no idea...

Date: 2010-08-20 07:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] para1.livejournal.com
Because we weren't used to that pace. There are plenty show nowadays that could never pull of a kiss like that because the storylines move so fast that it seems credible that two people could go from obvious dislike to kissing in about two episodes.

But VM never had that kind of pacing to begin with. With VM storylines usually moved at the glacial speed. So while you might expected that Veronica and Logan could become more once Lilly's killer was found and they got friendlier in general somewhere at the end of the Season Finale or in Season Two, no one predicted that it would happen in episode 1.18.

That was the trick. It was not that it was completely out the left field but rather that the timing went so much against VM's usual timing. At least that's my theory and I'm sticking with it.

Date: 2010-08-20 07:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eolivet.livejournal.com
Wow, that makes sense, actually. The episodes would dole out little clues, but nothing substantial. I remember our theories about the killer shifted from week to week. I also think the show did a very good job of painting Veronica as pining for Duncan, and Logan as still mourning Lilly (and blaming Veronica for Lilly's death) that it did not even occur to most viewers that V/L (LoVe) could be a viable option.

One day, I hope someone sits down with RT and asks, "So...do you regret that V/L kiss in 1x18?" It seems like that was the day the fans hijacked the show, and most likely his plans for it (if how he treated V/L throughout the series was any indication).

Date: 2010-09-07 01:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spadada.livejournal.com
It seems like that was the day the fans hijacked the show, and most likely his plans for it (if how he treated V/L throughout the series was any indication).
God, it really does seem that way. I would love to see where the show would have gone if Rob never knew how we were responding to it.

I just watched this the other day! My friend (who was an office PA on the show) and I were watching M.A.D. but could not put that disc in without making a few other stops along the highlight reel. It's still packs quite a punch.

Rob has said before that what he regrets about the kiss was the way Kretchmer shot it. Now Rob Thomas is great at blaming other people for his show's failings so grain of salt here, but he says the script called for a hungry and lusty and conflicted kiss without any mention of romance. Kretchmer definitely took creative license by putting the camera on a crane and swooping "epically" like that. And the actors also got swept up in the moment in a very different way than was intended.

Date: 2010-09-07 01:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spadada.livejournal.com
I approve this theory.

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